where goes checksumm.com forum?

[MNBM]

I don´t think so, but I have feeling this forum slowly falls down.
Long time I can´t find something interesting, some new infos, solution for something, duckduckduckduckyzing somethings, and so on. There is only requests for original files, how to start newbs asks, morally advices about how wrong the fleabay is, and offtopic posts about nothing where the writer advertising herself by signature. And when somebody some interesting thema write, only newbs and and little eperienced users trying to discuss about and users who really knows don´t adds one word for.

Yesterday I have seen one topic what surprised me. I don´t know why when some guy from Lithuania fairly asks for compatibility between some tool and some ECU, no one can write him "no, it is impossible, do buy some better tool" instead two valuable pages what bring nothing for the quy what asks.
Was sent him pm and wrote him exactly what I write here -"impossible, do buy better tool".

So maybe I am wrong, maybe not, this is only my point of view.

MNBM

[John DNA Tuningimported_admin]

I can't contribute with valuable chiptuning information, but if someones suggests something to solve that and make experience chiptuners share info, experience and knowledge, go ahead.

That is one on my main concerns on open a private section for advanced chiptuning information.

[John DNA Tuningthanos]

Even in the ori files section i see some people requesting some files and others send it by pm.Why?
When someone else needs this file he has to make the request again and again and......I don`t think that te forum falls down though.The only thing that this forum needs is more experienced tuners and less argues to each other.


ps: By more i mean numbers not experience.

[turborabbit]

2MNBM
I think that the subject is that most professionals see absolutely no reason to share their know-how to public sight. Especially nowdays, when the amount of "chiptuners" with cr@ck3d winols and cloned HW tools is increasing rapidly. There are plenty of private ways (phone, mail, skype eyc) to share knowledge/experience between checked people, from whom someone can expect some help in return, when needed. That's the issue, and as long as this forum is kept open to all the public, there will be no significant change in content.

[turborabbit]

The only thing that this forum needs is more experienced tuners

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If this forum is to be kept public, and it is desired to increase public knowledgebase, it needs more LESS experienced people, who are yet studying "the science" and are ready to share something for nothing. But the quality of this public info will be corresponding it's cost of course

[John DNA Tuningthanos]

ps: By more i mean numbers not experience.

Did you saw this?

[Tecno]

Just an idea, but we could keep this whole forum private, Admin could stop the registry proccess and only users that he see fitted, would be admited !

I think vbulletin and phpbb have this options ! Users can register, but then are not allowed into the forum (they can't even see topics/threads), unless the Admin aproves their account !

How about it ? Seams more fair to me...

Best Regards
Tecno

[turborabbit]

ps: By more i mean numbers not experience.

Did you saw this?

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yes

[turborabbit]

Seams more fair to me...

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for you


part of forum should be kept public, but there should be some restricted area, access to which should be judged for example by someone's contribution into this project and this trigger should NOT be based on the number of posts because there are ppl with barely 100 posts but every their post is valuable.

[John DNA Tuningthanos]

Just an idea, but we could keep this whole forum private, Admin could stop the registry proccess and only users that he see fitted, would be admited !

I think vbulletin and phpbb have this options ! Users can register, but then are not allowed into the forum (they can't even see topics/threads), unless the Admin aproves their account !

How about it ? Seams more fair to me...

Best Regards
Tecno

You do realise that you need 5 admins for this job....Kind of hard to keep up with.The advanced chip tuning section would be a lot easier to moderate.Plus this forum has to be heard to all the tuners.

[Tecno]

Ok, no problem thanos and turborabbit, just different oppinions, I respect all, I was only giving mine...
Anyway, it's not up to us to decide, but to the admin and moderators team...

Best Regards to All
Tecno

[turborabbit]

The advanced chip tuning section would be a lot easier to moderate.

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I guess there will be no need of moderation in there

[MNBM]

2MNBM
I think that the subject is that most professionals see absolutely no reason to share their know-how to public sight. Especially nowdays, when the amount of "chiptuners" with cr@ck3d winols and cloned HW tools is increasing rapidly. There are plenty of private ways (phone, mail, skype eyc) to share knowledge/experience between checked people, from whom someone can expect some help in return, when needed. That's the issue, and as long as this forum is kept open to all the public, there will be no significant change in content.

I am understand. I don´t need to somebody posting some tutorials or his files.
But to discuss about particular experince, about measuring, about specific things will be welcome for me.
You have right, there is a lot of users with zero posts, who is reading and downloading only, and some with a lot of posts, who is aksing only. The privat way is the solution, but I think by this way I am teasting so much, and there is smaller inspiration to do it against when I see some real thread.

It looks like is necessary to cut forum for two parts or there will be only stupid asks and requesting for originals.

[turborabbit]

I am understand. I don´t need to somebody posting some tutorials or his files.

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Well, I would post tutorials and files, but as long as I am sure that these are going to good hands and not spread around the internet for free.

But to discuss about particular experince, about measuring, about specific things will be welcome for me.
You have right, there is a lot of users with zero posts, who is reading and downloading only, and some with a lot of posts, who is aksing only. The privat way is the solution, but I think by this way I am teasting so much, and there is smaller inspiration to do it against when I see some real thread.

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Agree with you

It looks like is necessary to cut forum for two parts or there will be only stupid asks and requesting for originals.

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"This happened before and it will happen again" (c)
Im on few of such forums of this subject (oktja, gtc, 16v etc), which have private sections without stupid questions and where im happy to help others and to ask for someone's help

[John DNA Tuningmods4cars]

This forum is very good , ive help people and people have helped me . because of this place ive become a better at what i do. The info you can get in here is priceless

Im not to happy about it being completely open as there is some very sensitive info i the forum , also there is a lot of tuners in here who want to help , but will not as every bloody ebayer with his KWP interface can see
So when are we getting the advanced section ?

[John DNA Tuningthanos]

This matter has been discussed 3 times .It`s up to admin now.

[artwar2004]

Just an idea, but we could keep this whole forum private, Admin could stop the registry proccess and only users that he see fitted, would be admited !

We already have one like that – chiptuningforum.com – a year ago every one, who didn’t fit moderators view, have been thrown out, even thou they have been active only on English section and most of those people have been hobbyists, also there been located in different parts of earth and couldn’t bring any concurrency to local market. As I understood they left people that are potential customers for their sponsors. I am slowly progressing from hobbyist to professional chiptuner with lots of studding and not to many stupid questions, but that is very hard with having only good programmer and it is impossible if support from others is taken a way. And it is very sad when people like me are thrown out only because we aren’t fitting some ones view. I think people cracking software and hardware have enough money and knowledge to get in to any of forums and databases. Usually people who really need that support suffer the most.

[gtheo1]

Let's have for example user Thanos.

He don't know how to calculate a 8-bit checksum and he wants
to enter the advance chiptuning section?
He copy the maps from Dimsport or Alientech saying that it's his 'homework' and asks for
more maps from us?

So, the most important for the new section is the moderator(s) to be able to choose the experienced users but I cannot see this is easy. Of course we can see the ebayers with clones, but all the others who wants in some months of chiptuning to call themselves super-tuners and copies others works isn't.

PS: Thanos please accept my apologize, I just use your name for example. I don't know you and I don't have something with you.

[turborabbit]

Just an idea, but we could keep this whole forum private, Admin could stop the registry proccess and only users that he see fitted, would be admited !

We already have one like that – chiptuningforum.com – a year ago every one, who didn’t fit moderators view, have been thrown out, even thou they have been active only on English section and most of those people have been hobbyists, also there been located in different parts of earth and couldn’t bring any concurrency to local market. As I understood they left people that are potential customers for their sponsors. I am slowly progressing from hobbyist to professional chiptuner with lots of studding and not to many stupid questions, but that is very hard with having only good programmer and it is impossible if support from others is taken a way. And it is very sad when people like me are thrown out only because we aren’t fitting some ones view. I think people cracking software and hardware have enough money and knowledge to get in to any of forums and databases. Usually people who really need that support suffer the most.

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Errr... I think there's misunderstanding.
Nobody's going "throw out" anyone, just one section was added where some checked people can speak freely about some advanced stuff. You've given here one example of why this place is necessary. You said something like "i'm not so stupid to post here my tuned file for my project, it's many years work etcetctec". I understand the reason, but if you were sure that this file would not be copied and sold by your neighbour for example, then you would post it without second thought. At least I would do so, because one fresh eye will always find some things to correct and one fresh idea could help you solving your problem. And vice versa, i would help anyone (if i can) as long as I'm sure that my help will not be used against me or any of my friends.

Now the criteria of picking people... well i guess admins/mods are able to sort questions-only and flood-only users, also they can check pm's to see who's NOT talking in public but gives help by PM and they'll get a first coarse list. If someone feel's he was missed he just contacts admins/mods and explains and after some check he's either granted or denied access these.
Again, if management decides that there should be a strict rule to accept only professionals, then they can verify someone with easy way by equipment/software, manufacturers are watching this forum and can confirm their clients

[turborabbit]

Let's take for example user Thanos.
He doesn't know how to calculate a 8-bit checksum and he wants
to enter the advanced chiptuning section?

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Example is example, but did he ever stated here that he wants to have access to this section?

He copies the maps from Dimsport or Alientech saying that it's his 'homework' and asks for more maps from us?

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Are you sure about that?

but all the others who wants in some months of chiptuning to call themselves super-tuners and copies others works aren't.

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Well mods in here are professional tuners with many years of experience. I'm sure that they are able to understand easily someone's level of knowledge and experience. Don't forget, that it was stated before that pm's are monitored here, so they have more info about users than seems to us, common mortals

PS: Thanos please accept my apologize, I just use your name for example. I don't know you and I don't have something with you.

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Me neither, but after reading this topic http://checksumm.com/chiptuning/viewtopic.php?t=720 i must admit that indeed, he incorrect attitude during his start in here.