Advanced Chiptuning Information

[imported_admin]

This will be the new section of the forum. This section will be available only to professional and experienced chiptuners who wants to share information among each others. If you have any suggestions please post.

[T-POWER]

hi adm :)
the idea is very good, I like it ;)

Only one question/suggestion?!?
" how do you wanna take your decision about professional and newbs"

I mean you can make a VIP section for profis programmers but how do you wanna really know if they are one or not :roll: can you follow what I trying to explane?

Thanks for your answer

Greetings
T-POWER

[T-POWER]

No answer? :roll:

[Qwert]

Also interested. It's not good that anyone can see all of these chiptuner information, but I'm also interested how You gonna select forum members? By companies or by chiptuning knowlge?

[T-POWER]

Hi Qwert,
nice to see that im not the only one hows worry about "how to select profis from newbs".
The thing is even if someone here haves a company it deosnt mean that he know, how to write a software. It could be just a dealer from another tuner, or?

Thats why I was expecting a answer from the adm :roll:

[Tecno]

This is the kind of thing that took people away from chiptuningforum.com and put people here in this forum, now It's all happening again, HERE... eh eh eh
not good strategy from my humble point of view...

Best Regards

[Pits]

This is the kind of thing that took people away from chiptuningforum.com and put people here in this forum, now It's all happening again, HERE... eh eh eh
not good strategy from my humble point of view...

Best Regards

:lol: :lol:

x2

[imported_admin]

Thats why I was expecting a answer from the adm

I don't have an answer for you because that is dificult to deal. Some people suggested that section. I don't know chiptuningforum, i'm not chiptuner either, so I expect, experience people from other foruns and on chiptuning business tell me their needs. If there is no need for that kind of section, fine for me.

I see that a lot of you don't share some kind of information because you work so hard to get the knowledge, it took a lot of time to achieve your skills. Sharing that for nothing with all the people is not clever. But you wouldn't mind to share that if you know that some other people is also sharing some valuable information.

[dimitris simonis]

I think that every experienced chiptuner can find trough this forum other experienced tuners (that’s the most helpful ability on a forum) and exchange knowledge with pm's. This is the best way to have many levels of chiptuners who are helping each other with multiple gains. I don’t think that there is anybody who wants to share hard working earned knowledge with everybody through a topic without any profit. If there was a section for experienced tuners then this should have so many levels of experience that it would be impossible to work.
Just my opinion.
I want to thank admin and the other member of the forum who helped me every time I needed.

[imported_admin]

Well if that is an opinion shared by most of you, there is no need for that section. It's true that the level of knowledge sharing is increasing and there are good threads on the forum.

[davyrox]

I am a newbie to.... but i never ever ask't any question. It's allways those guy's fault that are entering the forum and want to know and have everything for free.

I want to learn and i am learning every day(not only from the internet), and i will invest maney euros to in LEGAL tools and software. Some guy's just want the money not the knowlegde, i want to know how to remap the ecu, how the injection works, how the turbo works, what is this sensor and what dus it do, ......... . It's a long road, but this is the only GOOD way... how can you tune an engine if you dont know how the engine works? It specialist or not.

When you open a prof chiptuning section, it will be game over for me.....and the other guy's that just read the forum and dont ask stupid questions.

just my 0.02 cents :wink:


grtzzzz

[kisslorand]

It is really hard to filter who is suitable and who is not. I think users themselves can decide who they wanna talk and what info they will to share. Anyway I think it is hard to implement such section based on users opinion about each other.
My suggestion for this is that the admin must pick one user who is well known as professional chip-tuner. That user can invite others to join the professional team. So every user can join this team based on an invitation by another team member. Of course the approval must be obtained from other members of this professional team. I hope it was a useful tip.
Regards,
Lori

[imported_admin]

yes that could be an option. But that section is not nedded now right?
So in the future, if a group of users want to implement this please talk to me.

[CTW John]

Maybe we should start to think about making certain sections for tuners only, it would avoid alot of the 'ebay' questions in some areas!
I think this forum is intended for professional tuners discussing tuning?

[imported_admin]

what's is your idea of how to control the access? people ask for it?

[CTW John]

I suppose make some areas only available for tuners? As there seems to be alot of 'customers' amongst some threads occasionally. I think it's the presence of 'customers' that will in the end stop 'tuners' posting and possibly make this just another car forum if we're not careful

[tango]

what if ur a tuner but dont post much or that often?

[vwmike]

This is a tough topic in lot of respects but I don't think it is that much different than the ORIDB access. More importantly than who is a professional or not (yet) is who really cares. Who is really here to exchange info and learn rather than just get all of the answers they seek and then leave? I agree that there is a lot of motivation for people not to share much info because this forum is open to the public. Granted, relatively few people would care to take that on for their own personal car. Still, if you've been on here for a long time and you read and contribute the best you can to every topic then it shows a level of dedication and whether they have access to the protected areas or not they won't be deterred and it would only serve to motivate them to try harder so that eventually they can also gain access to those areas. This of course will help filter out the ebay questions and keep any sensetive info from the masses.

[CTW John]

I agree to include genuine members wishing to learn and contribute rather than those who won't contribute etc

[dimitris simonis]

This is a very good idea and a big chalenge :wink:
Hope that some day works. :)

[Technine]

It would be quite hard to sort who should be in the advanced section. Even for myself which I have been working with ECU's for the past 4 years which isn't quite long for some of you guys, but I slowly build up my knowledge and problem solving. Up till now, I still do not know how to write my own files as I haven't spent anytime into learning or figuring it out, so basically I buy files from other tuner which basically provides support for me if required.

So should I be in the advanced section or not? I think it depends as I have probably installed tuning programs in over 2000 vehicles for the last 4 years which do give me some knowledge about ECU's, problem solving, trouble shooting with various vehicles, etc...

I know of some tuners which might have not tuned more than 100 ecu's, but they are good tuners though, but with less knowledge, should be they in the advanced section?

[CTW John]

I think it's relatively easy to suss the genuine ones out, I think a complete profile filled in also will help guide this.

[vwmike]

Perhaps someone should put together a complete summary of what this section will be about (everyone should more or less approve of it) and who will be allowed in and then start a poll based on it?

[Tecno]

I think some people are trying to take this project, and turn it into something it wasn't meant to be in the first place, or as we say it in my home country: "desvirtuar o forum" (the admin and some mods will understand) and trying to turn this into a 2nd www.chiptuningforum.com ... :roll:

Hope this forum doesn't go down the toilet also... ;)

Best Regards
Tecno

P.S: BTW: So much talk about a sub-forum that doesn't have any posts... whay overated !!!
Shouldn't even exist IMHO, so there wouldn't be this problems, the forum has worked fine as it is, why change ? Everyone has seen their questions/problems/doubts answered and this is what a forum should do ! ;)
Maybe a tiny change here or there, but nothing big...

Whe have a saying, it goes like this: "Em equipa que ganha não se mexe!" more or less "in a winning team you shouldn't mess with it!", meaning spoil it, by changing it's players, in this case, spoil the forum, by messing it up, with to many sub-forums or useless stuff...

[vwmike]

Hey, I'm just trying to make postive suggestions.....none of this is really up to me. :)

[Tecno]

Hey, I'm just trying to make postive suggestions.....none of this is really up to me. :)

wasn't talking directly to you ! ;) Your post wasn't even here when I hit reply, I just took too much time to post it... sorry ;)

Cheers

[CTW John]

I think some people are trying to take this project, and turn it into something it wasn't meant to be in the first place, or as we say it in my home country: "desvirtuar o forum" (the admin and some mods will understand) and trying to turn this into a 2nd www.chiptuningforum.com ... :roll:

Hope this forum doesn't go down the toilet also... ;)

Best Regards
Tecno

P.S: BTW: So much talk about a sub-forum that doesn't have any posts... whay overated !!!
Shouldn't even exist IMHO, so there wouldn't be this problems, the forum has worked fine as it is, why change ? Everyone has seen their questions/problems/doubts answered and this is what a forum should do ! ;)
Maybe a tiny change here or there, but nothing big...

Whe have a saying, it goes like this: "Em equipa que ganha não se mexe!" more or less "in a winning team you shouldn't mess with it!", meaning spoil it, by changing it's players, in this case, spoil the forum, by messing it up, with to many sub-forums or useless stuff...

As has been said before over 700 users and realistically about 50 people posting! Hopefully if anything we can encourage these lurking registered users to post by making this change.

[Tecno]

As has been said before over 700 users and realistically about 50 people posting! Hopefully if anything we can encourage these lurking registered users to post by making this change.

And will all the 50 registered users that participate have access to this section ? Is that really the reason why that section should exist ? :roll:

Or will it just be your's and others private playground ? Like a private gentlemens club ? :roll: Or has you prefer to say it, the "genuine ones"... This is sounding more and more like chiptuningforum.com v2 ! :(

You've also writed and I quote: "I think a complete profile filled in also will help"
What is this forum ? MySpace.com ?! Hi5.com ?! Ringo.com ?! :shock:

Is there any need for this really ? I had been moderator in a bigger forum than this one, for some years, with thousands of registed users, with thousands of individual visits a day and with hundreds of real participating members, what we did there was for X to X months we cleaned up the user database, all users having 0 posts would be informed by e-mail that their register would be erased because they were not participating and as far as the users with a little more posts but that didn't went to the forum regularly, they would be advised by e-mail and encouraged to participate. :)

I think the same thing could be done here, what do you think ? All and all this forum has been working great as a small community, users helping out, oridb, sections well structured, why ruin it ?

Cheers

P.S: I'm sorry if my post seams to rude to you or someone else, it isn't my idea to create any problems between us, I just wanted to make my point clear and debate freely and democraticly. :)

[CTW John]

No I don't think it was rude ;)

It's just idea's I'm suggesting I think we're trying to create a good community where professionals can discuss without being quoted across the internet too publically maybe, or should we all have a seperate anonymous login for when we have problems we don't want the public seeing?!

[CTW John]

I just wanted to make my point clear and debate freely and democraticly. :)

If we are going to debate democratically at least learn how to spell it! :P

Sorry that wasn't meant to offend but just a funny joke I thought :)

[Tecno]

No I don't think it was rude ;)

It's just idea's I'm suggesting I think we're trying to create a good community where professionals can discuss without being quoted across the internet too publically maybe, or should we all have a seperate anonymous login for when we have problems we don't want the public seeing?!

I understand your point, and now your getting into some serious reasons, that make sense to me also. :)

Also, I would like to know, if you have been quoted or know of any other member who has been, outside of this forum, regarding what they say here ? I'm not saying I don't belive you, I just want to know if it has happened before... ;)
Just that I go to alot of chiptuning forums and never have seen this, but of course, I don't have time and can't be bothered to look into all open topics of course... :)

I just hope that if the admin goes on with opening that section of the forum, the rules for who get's in and who stay's out, come out clear, I have seen forums go private before (and you of course know what I'm talking about) and they didn't benefit from it at all, just made them lose more and more visitors and registered participating users... I belive this was not the intent of the admin when he first think about opening this forum, but then again, I might be wrong, he's been real quiet about this... ;)

Also, one thing I would like to propose is that "guests" or members not logged in, can not see the forums content or link to it, I think this board software can manage that.

Best Regards

P.S:


If we are going to debate democratically at least learn how to spell it! :P

Sorry that wasn't meant to offend but just a funny joke I thought :)

No problem, thanks for correcting me, I apreciate it ! :)
Sorry for my bad english, but belive me, when I say: most people in my country can't even write their own language properly, less alone talk/write in English... And I have had english lessons for 11 or 12 years at school... :oops:

[CTW John]

No I don't think it was rude ;)

It's just idea's I'm suggesting I think we're trying to create a good community where professionals can discuss without being quoted across the internet too publically maybe, or should we all have a seperate anonymous login for when we have problems we don't want the public seeing?!

I understand your point, and now your getting into some serious reasons, that make sense to me also. :)

Also, I would like to know, if you have been quoted or know of any other member who has been, outside of this forum, regarding what they say here ? I'm not saying I don't belive you, I just want to know if it has happened before... ;)
Just that I go to alot of chiptuning forums and never have seen this, but of course, I don't have time and can't be bothered to look into all open topics of course... :)

I just hope that if the admin goes on with opening that section of the forum, the rules for who get's in and who stay's out, come out clear, I have seen forums go private before (and you of course know what I'm talking about) and they didn't benefit from it at all, just made them lose more and more visitors and registered participating users... I belive this was not the intent of the admin when he first think about opening this forum, but then again, I might be wrong, he's been real quiet about this... ;)

Also, one thing I would like to propose is that "guests" or members not logged in, can not see the forums content or link to it, I think this board software can manage that.

Cheers

Admin's not been totally quiet, we have spoke alot on email about this already....

It's not that I've seen anyone quoted, but it's always a possibility and better not to happen!

[vwmike]

I was never on chiptuningforum, but I understand why there would be reluctancy to do something like this if that is what happened over there. As we all know, this is a rather "tight lipped" industry. Information is generally not given away freely. I know of no website or book with step by step instructions on chip tuning and most people would rather it stay that way. By granting some people a certain level of privacy you encourage them to be more outgoing and hel,pful. The idea of deleting people with a 0 post count isn't a bad one but whats to stop them from just signing up again? Anyone would still have access to any information that was posted. There really is no way to keep everyones information safe without implementing a secure area. I've stated my thoughts on that before but suffice it to say I think a good compromise can be reached. The goal shouldn't be to shut everyone out and just let 5 tuners have their own forum but I don't think that's what anyone here intended.

[CTW John]

The idea we have so far is to create another usergroup, moderators will be able to add users to this group when they feel the user is acceptable, I guess a good balance to this would be to have an area for ebay tuners etc, at least they too have there place???

[vwmike]

I figured there would still be open discussion areas, just with an additional advanced area.

[T-POWER]

I am agree with creating a new usergroup.
But do you really believe several or more important information will be exchanged in the new usergroup?
All of us are new user here, Me personally dont know more than 5. How should we already be able to determine after so short time who yes and who no.
Of course we have a LOTE of Ebay, crack and clone tuners in here, but it is a fact nobody need to answer such users.

[CTW John]

I think the first issue is the basic open to all, other issues we'll obviously look at once we see it all working I guess

[Dr.Flash]

Other Forms use this also!

Ther are a lot of information that not mus have everybody.

No support for Ebay Tuners :wink:

[Tecno]

The idea we have so far is to create another usergroup, moderators will be able to add users to this group when they feel the user is acceptable, I guess a good balance to this would be to have an area for ebay tuners etc, at least they too have there place???

Now your being funny ! :lol:

Let's do a www.ebay-chiptuningforum.com and keep this one private ! :twisted:

Anyway, talking seriously now, what do you and your fellow moderators consider "acceptable" ? :)

Best Regards
Tecno

[CTW John]

The idea we have so far is to create another usergroup, moderators will be able to add users to this group when they feel the user is acceptable, I guess a good balance to this would be to have an area for ebay tuners etc, at least they too have there place???

Now your being funny ! :lol:

Let's do a www.ebay-chiptuningforum.com and keep this one private ! :twisted:

Anyway, talking seriously now, what do you and your fellow moderators consider "acceptable" ? :)

Best Regards
Tecno

;)

[Tecno]

Your winking at me... :shock: Humm... what do you want ?! :?

Money ?! :lol:

Just joking mate ! ;)
But it sure would be good to get a straight answer from you instead... :)

Sure hope it ain't gona be like in chiptuningforum.com when they blocked all the people out of there and didn't even bothered answering their pm's and didn't present anyone with explanations as to why they did it, or who was considered acceptable or not...

Well, I guess I've made my point clear, It's up to you guys, eventually if you screw this up, other forums and people will come along and make yet another chiptuning forum...
Like the ones that exist ain't enough yet... :roll:

Cheers

[CTW John]

yeah we don't want to go down other routes that failed, need to be flexible I agree!

[imported_admin]

well I've been reading this thread, I've been busy but like to know your oppinions. As you may know I'm not chiptuner, so I developed someone's idea and created checksumm.com. A lot of stuff that was implemented was suggested by chiptuners. So it should not be different in the future.

Since the begining of the month, I did not check everything implemented before, like restricting some sections from guest users, etc. I even think I had deleted Advanced Chiptuning before, but since the restore of the database, a lot of changes were lost.

We have every kind of users accessing the forum from customers to professionals. The main goal of this forum isto fill the professionals or pretend-to-be-in-the-future professionals of thechiptuning business needs.

What is the best way to do that? well that's what we need to find out. So let's discuss.

ORIDB is open to all the users of the forum. So I guess users just need to use it more and more and made it a good tool. What to do to get access? just send an email (info@checksumm.com) or write a post on the thread.

What about if people (professionals) think that they should not post some kind of usefull information because it could be available to customers or to other people. Should there be a place to post that information? or should some number of sections be restricted to some users. By restricting does not mean a small number of users will access it, but all users interested in the business.

One thing is sure, people should post more and be more active on the forum. What must I do to you to post?

I think that some information should be available to customers, and some information should be share and discussed with all users. One part of the forum should be to answer specific questions from users, and stuff like "Why don't they do it then?", "ecotuning", "reliability" and stuff like that... well what you do with pms can't be controlled....

[ecu_flash]

you are right in thinking you should protect the information you give out in this forum. We have been involved in chiptuning for aroung 5 years now, read-sent-write files on custmer cars, we have not tried to learn how to change them our selves due to time limitations and also due to the complexity and difficulty of it. I believe have gone through most of the posts on this forum since joining and believe me I have not seen any information which would 'show' me how to change a map.
There is the odd post about where changes should me made, but these information can only be usefull to someone who already knows how to change a file, and I am susre they are not posted by professional tuners. It is then at your descretion to reply or not.

However, it is extremely usefull to us (customers) to see who is posting when such problems arise, and to see who can really help. This way we can also know who is a tuner and who is pretending to be one, just by posting 'yes you are right', or ' i have seen this before too', just to get their posts numbers up and look active. Customers always change tuned file suppliers for one reason or the other, its good to know that you can contact a person who knows their stuff and get a good file from them, so i guess we need to read the posts in order to separate tuners from 'talkers' (who can in the end cause problems to us by sending us bad software).

Another thing I noticed, do you believe an experienced tuner will sit down, log in to the special area in the forum and write about the problem he is facing at that time and pray for a solution? I have seen tuners while at work, when they come up against a wall, they pick up the phone or sent an e-mail because they need to speak to someone who will help there and then.

As you said already, if a member wants to help another member but is looking for some privace they can pm.

I think this is a nice forum, you get a lot of info about tools, usuall problems, ecu locations etc. With these info you don't make money nor you loose money if you help.

Sorry for the long post

Thanks

[imported_admin]

long posts are fine, believe me...

[vwmike]

I don't think that in a pinch a good professional tuner is going to post here but if the issue is a bit less urgent they might. That and everyone here brings something different to the table. I may be better at tuning X ECU than someone else but I'd like to learn more about Y ECU so we can trade info and everyone can learn from that. That's how it should be but it's unfortunate that due to the open forum and the secretive nature of the industry that just isn't feesable.

[dimitris simonis]

Exactly this secretive nature of chip tuning makes this job so interesting and profitable. I thing that a nice idea for knowing who has the intention to continue to work seriously with chip tuning and needs the access on a private section is a meeting. Everyone who is going to come will show only with his presence that he is talking seriously and he is wiling to spend time and money to get good professional relations with other professional members and convince the other members that he could contribute to a better chip tuning future.

[Tecno]

Exactly this secretive nature of chip tuning makes this job so interesting and profitable. I thing that a nice idea for knowing who has the intention to continue to work seriously with chip tuning and needs the access on a private section is a meeting. Everyone who is going to come will show only with his presence that he is talking seriously and he is wiling to spend time and money to get good professional relations with other professional members and convince the other members that he could contribute to a better chip tuning future.

Dimitris, I don't know if you've seen it or not, but this is a very international forum ! 8)

Where do you propose we all meet ? Greece :lol:

;)

Best Regards
Tecno

[dimitris simonis]

I don’t know where, but I think if we are talking serious this isn’t a problem. Anybody who wants to takes his business further should be able to do a meeting like this. Anyway this was only an idea of how to declare that we care about a professional and private section in this forum that will help his members to feel more professionals and "advanced".

[plex]

@ essen tuning show in november!
I will be there, pm welcome!

[plex]

correction: 1-10 December 2006

[vwmike]

As much as I'd like, I'm not sure I can afford a European Vacation right now :cry: